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Re: stages of denial - lead
I am posting this note because the Bill Carroll's
(from the Chlorine Chemical Council) is so outrageous
that it boggled even my imagination. In essence, he
belittled the possibility that PVC has any significant
outgassing of VC monomer. Anyone who has purchased
any new PVC item, especially items manufactured in
China, knows and recognizes the characteristic odor
of VC monomer. See Bill's note, below.
I apologize in advance for making this private
discussion public. You position here is so outrageous
that I decided I needed to share it with others in
dioxin-l, to show how a reasonable scientist such
as yourself can apparently have his/her scientific
sense and common sense clouded by non-scientific
reasoning when there are multinational corporations
In response to your saying that VC monomer is
not a significant contaminant in PVC:
What in the world are you talking about?
Just buy a new window shade or shower curtain,
and stick your head into it when you take it out of
the wrapper. The amount of VC monomer will
likely make you sick to your stomach, if not faint.
Or try blowing up a new PVC toy that has a nozzle,
and see how it *tastes*.
Which factories are you talking about?
I'm talking about Chinese PVC, which is the source
of PVC for most toys available in the US today.
If PVC packaging material is so safe, why is
is BANNED in several European countries (in
Switzerland, Dow manufactures polyethylene
wrap, and no Saran Wrap, for instance). Why
isn't Coca-Cola using vinyl, rather than PETE,
which is hellishly expensive compared to
vinyl? Why are all the shampoo companies
switching to HDPE and PETE?
Would YOU heat up food in a microwave
oven wrapped in (PVC/vinylidene) Saran Wrap???
Would you take a chance on VC monomer or
dioxin, caught in the polymer matrix, leaching
into the food???
Bill, I strongly suggest that you change jobs.
Your present position is affecting your ability to
think straight. Perhaps you've been exposed
to too much VC monomer?
(which is a powerful neurotoxin).
From: DrBillC@aol.com <DrBillC@aol.com>
To: email@example.com <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Date: Wednesday, November 12, 1997 10:35 PM
Subject: Re: stages of denial - lead
Vinyl chloride is a liquid that boils at -13 degrees C. The resin itself is
stripped to 2 parts per million. Flexible vinyl is processed at over 200
degrees C. How in the world do you imagine that you could smell vinyl
chloride from a final product?
The issue of vinyl chloride in bottles was settled about 1980. Food grade
bottle material is stripped to less than 10 ppb VCM in the resin, and was
demonstrated in food simulant solvents not to leach detectable VCM into
The world changed about 1976 when VCM was found to be a carcinogen. Products
and processes changed; curiously, those changes allowed for larger scale
production, lower cost, and the 250% growth of the industry in the
Listen to Marco Kaltofen who is an activist, but also a competent engineer.
He gently tried to point out to you that what you are saying is incorrect.