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Re: Win95 EULA (Was: Why hasn't anyone brought this up yet?)
On Sun, 9 Nov 1997 13:43:00 -0500 (EST), Chip Richards wrote:
>On Sat, Nov 08, 1997 at 05:10:42PM -0500, Dana Newman wrote:
>
> Go to any Best-buy and tell'em you want to buy a Compaq Deskpro. Tell the
> store manager you won't buy it unless the disk is "clean" and you want a
> discount because it doesn't have any software on it.
>
> You get two answers:
> 1. They won't do it
>
>It isn't their responsibility. It's Compaq's.
>
> 2. They will tell you you can delete the software after you buy the
> machine.
>
>You could do that. But better you should return it for a refund. Yes,
>that's right, return it for a refund. See below.
>
> Call the Compaq corporation at any 1-800 number you can find,
> and request the same thing you did from it's retailer(s) (ie;
> just a machine, NOT the software).
>
> Just like their distributors:
> 1. They won't do it.
>
>I'm not surprised. Their current manufacturing operation doubtless doesn't
>have a "no-OS" assembly line. It'd be like asking for a Compaq to be
>delivered without a CPU. They might do it if you ordered ten thousand of
>them, but not just for one. They ain't Burger King.
>
> 2. They will tell you that "software is a value added feature,
> not included as a cost of the machine".
>
>This is just plain wrong. Did you actually call Compaq and they told you
>this? They need to re-read the Microsoft EULA, then. See my story below.
>
> As a consumer I do still have a choice. That choice is
> to not purchase the Compaq machine I wanted, but to
> purchase a machine I don't prefer from another vendor.
>
>Actually, you have another choice.
>
>I'm about to relate an apparently little-known fact. At least, nobody I've
>talked to has been aware of it before I told them.
>
>The Windows95 End User License Agreement (EULA) has a refund clause!
>
>Here's how it worked with the new machine I bought a few months ago:
>
>1. I powered on the machine for the very first time. It booted into a Win95
>setup (or installation, I forget which) screen.
>
>2. On one of the first two or three screens, I was asked to choose between a
>pair of buttons asking whether I agreed or didn't agree to abide by the
>Win95 EULA.
>
>3. Since I was going to run Linux on this machine, I selected the "don't
>agree" option.
>
>4. After the program had recovered from its astonishment, it led me to a
>copy of the actual text of the Win95 EULA, insisted that I read it, and then
>asked me again whether I agreed or not.
>
>5. After I said that I declined for the second time, it took me to a shabby
>little screen that told me that it wasn't going to set up Win95 for me
>(yippee!) and that I should return the OS to the *manufacturer* (not the
>reseller or Microsoft) FOR A REFUND!!!
>
>6. At that point, of course, my only option was to power the machine off.
>(As it turns out, I used FIPS to scrunch Win95 into its own (300mb!)
>partition and installed Linux on the remainder so I could use the machine.)
>
>7. I immediately contacted the manufacturer of the machine, in this case
>Canon America. It took six weeks of back-and-forth communication for them
>to sic their legal beagles on the EULA and discover that they had, indeed,
>signed up to deliver refunds for returned Win95 packages. Apparently nobody
>had ever taken advantage of this clause before, so they had to formulate a
>new corporate policy.
>
>8. After walking up the pecking order at Canon from phone-answering drone to
>Director of Customer Relations (or some such high-handed title), I
>eventually got a call telling me that if I (A) boxed up my Win95 manuals and
>CD-ROM and (B) shipped it to them (at my own expense, apparently), they
>would (C) send me $99 in return.
>
>9. I did, and they did. I scrubbed the trash off that 300mb partition, and
>now am a happy camper.
>
>Not as happy, obviously, as I would have been if I could have purchased my
>selected hardware with my selected software pre-installed, but we must start
>somewhere, and we already do have some wiggle room.
>
>So buy your Compaq, decline the EULA, and get your money back. And tell
>your friends!
>
>--
>Chip
>
Touche', Chip...absolutely profound. I didn't know that one!
Erick Andrews