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Re: GP sampling
Please wake up and smell the dioxin. If the wastes are
taken to a rotary kiln incinerator, they most certainly make
it to the air because ALL ROTARY KILN INCINERATORS
HAVE ESCAPE VENTS (the DUMP STACK)
WHICH ARE NOT MONITORED. If they are burned in
a cement kiln, they most certainly make it to the air
because CEMENT KILNS CANNOT BE TUNED TO
HAVE EXTREMELY HIGH DESTRUCTION and REMOVAL
EFFICIENCY! (Their parameters are rather rigid for highest
quality cement production, not designed to be
tunable for burn efficiency and cleanliness for every
kind of fuel they are burning)
If you are a toxic waste expert, you should know this. If you
are not a toxic waste expert, then don't make statements
that lead people to believe you are.
You are comparing the activities of an organization
committed to the environment and the continued
habitability of the planet, who sometimes need to
break the law to get the information they need,
with companies that have purposely hidden important
data from the public and have made deals with the
EPA administrators to do so. I find that comparison
appauling. Greenpeace's activities are not "Black Bag
Jobs". I already stated that there were times when
higher laws take precedent.
Why are you so concerned what Greenpeace does?
Whether Greenpeace got their samples by scaling a fence
or politely asking Dow, etc. to let them scoop it up is
really immaterial. They have not harmed the companies'
property, or stolen data so it cannot be used. They
have not threatened anyone. They merely
made public what should rightly be public, and I frankly
don't care if they broke trespass laws in order to do that.
"Black Bag" jobs are done to threaten, harass, and steal
data to make it unavailable for use. Greenpeace was
doing the opposite - sharing data that would normally be
I CONGRATULATE them for doing what was necessary!
Civl disobedience is NOT always public and it needn't
It will be fascinating to see what
Dow and others say at the Dioxin Conference regarding
dioxin contamination of their end waste and whether
it matches what Greenpeace found...
Please let's focus on what we need to do to ELIMINATE
DIOXIN EXPOSURE WORLDWIDE, which I believe is
the focus of this mail list (or if it isn't, it ought to be...).
To: Multiple recipients of list <email@example.com>
Date: Tuesday, July 29, 1997 20:33
Subject: Re: GP sampling
At 12:04 PM 7/29/97 -0400, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
>To compare GP "stealing" samples of streams of waste which are going into
>the public water and air, with industrial espionage for private profit,
There is one problem with this statement. It is wrong!!
Your statement makes it seem like barrels of vinyl
production waste go into the water and the air.
It should be possible to find out through the hazardous waste manifest
system precisely where vinyl production wastes go and how they are
handled, which is almost certainly to either an onsite or commercial
hazardous waste incinerator,
or commercial hazardous waste burning cement kiln or light weight