Re: FW: Re: The term "operating system"

[Christopher Pall <x97pall@wmich.edu>]

  MS is pushing NT the same way it pushes all of it's products - "Hey! You
  already got some of our OS software, why don't you use the rest of our
  software to manage it"
  
  Let's argue from the perspective that MS once again has used it's OS
  domination to interfere with the competition. After all that's what the whole
  mailing list is about.
  
  Perhaps you missed the previous thread?
  
  Quote from Pieter Nagel
  
  > The case resolved around behaviour of Windows95 which sabotages
  > larger campus-sized NetWare networks: if "File sharing for NetWare
  > networks" is enabled, a Win95 workstation falsely advertised itself
  > as a file server closer than any other NetWare server in the network.
  > The effect is that network traffic is redirected to the Win95
  > workstation instead of going to the intended servers, which leads to
  > slowdowns in network traffic etc.
  
  The fact is, that if you own the foundation for what every other application
  and networking software program must use or interact with, you've got'em by
  the balls. MS knows at least 6 months in advance of all the changes that are
  being made to the MS networking end of software, as well as any new
  innovations that might be coming down the line. How do you expect to compete
  in a market like that?
  
  > Here's a real world solution (at least for the US): Pass a law
  > requiring the Social Security Administration to offer
  > entitlement benefits for Novell operators too old to learn
  > new tricks.
  >
  
  This is great. What an insult! Buddy, CNE's are some of the best trained
  network professionals there are. Pretending that CNE's are old fogies
  incapable of learning "the idiot's guide to networking" is about as silly as
  it gets. (okay, I admit it - I was being a insulting but this was tit-for-tat,
  and that's that)
  
  I'll bet that CNE's have a better understanding of what makes an NOS an NOS
  (something that NT is not) and it's functions and the underlying fundamentals
  of Networking than most any MS lackey. Not that this needs to be necessary, as
  we get into more and more powerful processors, the "idiots" way will be just
  fine.
  
  Anyone out there who is both a CNE and a MSSP (or the MS equivalent in
  networking or better)? I would be curious to know what they thought of the
  comparison between the two NOS. Oh yeah, NT isn't really an NOS, it's an OS,
  which directly explains why it is far less efficient at being a file-server.
  But as I've noted many times before, that's ok, the marketplace should
  determine what product wins, so long as the marketplace is evenly played.
  
  
  > Once you learn these things, I like little features like, within
  > 4 clicks of a blank desktop I can bring up a visual pie chart
  > showing how much disk space any of my servers have. These real
  > productivity gains allows me to complete my job and have plenty
  > of time left to read the mail on am-info.
  >
  
  Ever hear of a spreadsheet?
  
  > Of course, you can get disk-space pie charts for Solaris too, but
  > why doesn't Sun package it in? Why don't they do market research
  > and add all kinds of creature comforts and easy to operate niceties
  > that make computing power available to a wider mass market, and then
  > promote it as a viable alternative for ordinary office personnel
  > instead of as elitest workstations for engineers only?
  
  These are power servers. Not GUI based Intel boxes intended to bring up nice
  pie-charts. With the advent of superior processing speed, creature comforts
  are great. But don't complain to me that it crashes, it was your desire to add
  the extra complexity that caused it.All of these creature comforts are fine
  for marketing and whatnot - just don't use your market domination in some
  arenas to overpower others.
  
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                Christopher Pall
  Delphi Programmer & Western Michigan Student (CS)
                   ThinkBiz
                Kalamazoo MI USA
               X97PALL@WMICH.EDU
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