[Ip-health] Re: [A2k] Re: [Politech] United Nations summit convenes in Athens: lots of talk, not much else [fs]
Jeff Williams
jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com
Fri Nov 3 05:59:01 2006
Peter and all,
With all due respect to Fred, he didn't sound all that concerned, and
therefore interested in rocking the boat very much, which is what is
clearly needed. $$ speaks allot louder than "Political speak".
Peter Noorlander wrote:
> It was interesting, though, to hear the Microsoft guy saying that perhaps=
it's time to reconsider their China business. One of their senior executiv=
es, Fred Tipson <http://policycouncil.nationaljournal.com/EN/Forums/Microso=
ft/6f246e34-929a-41df-a68d-605ae8a0bb6e.htm> , is quoted on the BBC website=
saying that "[t]hings are getting bad ... and perhaps we have to look agai=
n at our presence there ... We have to decide if the persecuting of blogger=
s reaches a point that it's unacceptable to do business there ... We try to=
define those levels and the trends are not good there at the moment ... It=
's a moving target." http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6102180.stm
>
> He could of course be pandering to the audience but it's still interestin=
g that he goes on record saying this.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: a2k-admin@lists.essential.org on behalf of Jeff Williams
> Sent: Thu 02/11/2006 9:05 AM
> To: Declan McCullagh
> Cc: IP-Health; a2k discuss list; vinton g. cerf; Dr. Eric Dierker=
; General Assembly of the DNSO
> Subject: [A2k] Re: [Politech] United Nations summit convenes in A=
thens: lots of talk, not much else [fs]
>
>
>
> Declan and all,
>
> Thanks for your view and the links to others view's as well.
>
> I am encouraged in reading the admonishment of Google's, Yahoo'=
s,
> Microsofts, and Cisco's relationship from a global ethical view w=
ith
> China, by the United Nations.
>
> On the flip side, the U.N. and many of it's internal org's have=
often,
> and been well known for "overheated proposals" some of which were
> enacted, and have failed terribly and tragically. So I am fairly
> sure companies like Google, Yahoo, Microsoft, and Cisco shook
> such "overheated proposals" or any proposals that are viewed detr=
imental
> to their stockholders and other business goals , like water off a=
ducks
> back...
>
> Declan McCullagh wrote:
>
> > So I'm at this U.N. "Internet Governance Forum" outside of Athe=
ns, where
> > there's plenty of talk (and overheated proposals) but not much =
else.
> >
> > Kieren McCarthy has some coverage here:
> > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/10/31/igf_day_one/
> > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/10/31/igf_blog_tuesday/
> >
> > And a BBC blog is here:
> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/6105496.stm
> >
> > Some of my articles follow.
> >
> > -Declan
> >
> > http://news.com.com/2100-1028_3-6130549.html
> > ATHENS, Greece--A top United Nations official on Monday called =
for
> > changes in the way the Internet is operated, taking aim at "sel=
f-serving
> > justifications" for permitting the United States to preserve it=
s unique
> > influence and authority online.
> >
> > http://news.com.com/U.N.+blasts+Cisco%2C+others+on+China+cooper=
ation/2100-1028_3-6131010.html?tag=3Dnl
> > ATHENS, Greece--Delegates to a United Nations summit on Tuesday=
assailed
> > Google, Cisco Systems, Microsoft and Yahoo for cooperating too =
closely
> > with China, suggesting that new global regulations of free expr=
ession
> > might be necessary.
> >
> > http://news.com.com/2100-1028_3-6131394.html
> > On Wednesday, delegates to a United Nations summit here complai=
ned that
> > the ASCII-only choice was representative of an Internet culture=
that is
> > far too English-centric and that fails to respect other languag=
es.
> >
> > http://news.com.com/China+We+dont+censor+the+Internet.+Really/2=
100-1028_3-6130970.html?tag=3Dnl
> > ATHENS, Greece--While many countries block off some Web sites, =
China has
> > long drawn heightened scrutiny because of the breadth and sophi=
stication
> > of its Internet censorship.
> > Which is why it came as a surprise on Tuesday when a Chinese go=
vernment
> > official claimed at a United Nations summit here that no Net ce=
nsorship
> > existed at all.
> >
> > http://news.com.com/2061-10796_3-6130991.html
> > You'd think that of all places that should have speedy and reli=
able
> > Internet access, a United Nations summit on the Internet would =
be high
> > on the list.
> >
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>
> Regards,
>
> --
> Jeffrey A. Williams
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Jeffrey A. Williams
Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 134k members/stakeholders strong!)
"Obediance of the law is the greatest freedom" -
Abraham Lincoln
"Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is
very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt
"If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B;
liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by
P: i.e., whether B is less than PL."
United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947]
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