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Victoria Villamar
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Dear Sarah et al.
Just a little clarification on Sarah's message.
The IPR enforcement directive was not adopted yesterday in EU. There was
only the adoption of the opinion of the European Parliament. Since this
opinion and the Council's opinion is closed one to the other there is no
need to go for a 2nd reading in the Parliament. EU Ministers will have a
discussion on the directive tomorrow at the Competitiveness council and the
directive will be adopted by Ministers soon, before the entry of the 10 new
member states on 1st May 2004.
>From the consumer point of view the outcome of the EP opinion is bad as the
directive applies to all infringements of IPR, regardless its commercial or
non-commercial nature.
Best regards
Victoria
Victoria Villamar
Legal Adviser
BEUC- The European Consumers' Organisation
Avenue de Tervuren 36/4
B - 1040 Brussels
Tel: (00 32) 2 743 15 95
Fax: (00 32) 2 740 28 02
Mailto:victoria.villamar@beuc.org
Website:www.beuc.org
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From: sarah.b.deutsch@verizon.com [mailto:sarah.b.deutsch@verizon.com]
Sent: 09 March 2004 23:24
To: Michael Sondow
Cc: Hague list; hague-jur-commercial-law-admin@venice.essential.org
Subject: Re: [Hague-jur-commercial-law] Mark your calendar: IP& The
HagueMarch 29-30 at USPTO
The IPR enforcement directive just passed in Europe today and will now be
implemented over the next 2 years in 25 member states. It allows virtually
unlimited injunctive relief to any IP holder (patent, trademark, copyright,
etc) against consumers and intermediaries without any prior notice.
Article 5 I believe allows not only the IP owner, but their bounty hunters,
agents, collecting societies or other designees to seek this relief. We
could be talking about orders to seize and search your property and
equipment, block or filter Internet transmissions for ISPs or destroy
property. This is a very serious problem that makes the Article 6 issue
in the Hague draft all the more important to remove.
Sarah
Sarah B. Deutsch
Vice President & Associate General Counsel
Verizon Communications
Phone: 703-351-3044
Fax: 703-351-3670
sarah.b.deutsch@verizon.com
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Manon Ress wrote:
> Article 6 implies that interim relief may be sought from any
> court anywhere.
In the U.S., you usually don't get interim relief, which almost always
harms the defendent, without posting a bond with the court in case your
claims are not upheld at trial. Is article 6 at least going to stipulate
the procedures for granting interim relief, or are far-flung courts
going to be allowed to apply it willy-nilly? In other words, what laws
of interim relief will be applied, those of the court where the
plaintiff asks for relief, or some other?
> US Copyright owners will get friendly courts to issue injunctive
> relief. Maybe the UK courts?
Do UK courts grant injunctive relief easily? They seem to grant
restraining orders in libel claims readily enough.
In any event, if governments are swinging behind the latest draft, as
the Washington Internet Daily article says, then we can be sure there
are many problems for us with the draft, as these governments are
nothing more than a front for big business and as such couldn't care
less about the harm that will be done to consumers and non-profits.
M. Sondow
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Dear Sarah et al.</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Just a little clarification on Sarah's =
message.</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>The IPR enforcement directive was not adopted =
yesterday in EU. There was only the adoption of the opinion of the =
European Parliament. Since this opinion and the Council's opinion is =
closed one to the other there is no need to go for a 2nd reading in the =
Parliament. EU Ministers will have a discussion on the directive =
tomorrow at the Competitiveness council and the directive will be =
adopted by Ministers soon, before the entry of the 10 new member states =
on 1st May 2004.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>From the consumer point of view the outcome of the EP =
opinion is bad as the directive applies to all infringements of IPR, =
regardless its commercial or non-commercial nature.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Best regards</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Victoria</FONT>
</P>
<BR>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Victoria Villamar</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Legal Adviser</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>BEUC- The European Consumers' Organisation</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Avenue de Tervuren 36/4</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>B - 1040 Brussels</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Tel: (00 32) 2 743 15 95</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Fax: (00 32) 2 740 28 02</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2><A =
HREF=3D"Mailto:victoria.villamar@beuc.org">Mailto:victoria.villamar@beuc=
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Website:www.beuc.org</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>From: sarah.b.deutsch@verizon.com [<A =
HREF=3D"mailto:sarah.b.deutsch@verizon.com">mailto:sarah.b.deutsch@veriz=
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sent: 09 March 2004 23:24</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>To: Michael Sondow</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Cc: Hague list; =
hague-jur-commercial-law-admin@venice.essential.org</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Subject: Re: [Hague-jur-commercial-law] Mark your =
calendar: IP& The</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>HagueMarch 29-30 at USPTO</FONT>
</P>
<BR>
<BR>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>The IPR enforcement directive just passed in Europe =
today and will now be</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>implemented over the next 2 years in 25 member =
states. It allows virtually</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>unlimited injunctive relief to any IP holder =
(patent, trademark, copyright,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>etc) against consumers and intermediaries without =
any prior notice.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Article 5 I believe allows not only the IP owner, =
but their bounty hunters,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>agents, collecting societies or other designees to =
seek this relief. We</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>could be talking about orders to seize and search =
your property and</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>equipment, block or filter Internet transmissions =
for ISPs or destroy</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>property. This is a very serious problem =
that makes the Article 6 issue</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>in the Hague draft all the more important to =
remove.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sarah</FONT>
</P>
<BR>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sarah B. Deutsch</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Vice President & Associate General =
Counsel</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Verizon Communications</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Phone: 703-351-3044</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Fax: =
703-351-3670</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>sarah.b.deutsch@verizon.com</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Manon Ress wrote:</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Article 6 implies that interim relief may be =
sought from any</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> court anywhere.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>In the U.S., you usually don't get interim relief, =
which almost always</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>harms the defendent, without posting a bond with the =
court in case your</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>claims are not upheld at trial. Is article 6 at =
least going to stipulate</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>the procedures for granting interim relief, or are =
far-flung courts</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>going to be allowed to apply it willy-nilly? In =
other words, what laws</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>of interim relief will be applied, those of the =
court where the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>plaintiff asks for relief, or some other?</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>> US Copyright owners will get friendly courts to =
issue injunctive</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> relief. Maybe the UK courts?</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Do UK courts grant injunctive relief easily? They =
seem to grant</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>restraining orders in libel claims readily =
enough.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>In any event, if governments are swinging behind the =
latest draft, as</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>the Washington Internet Daily article says, then we =
can be sure there</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>are many problems for us with the draft, as these =
governments are</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>nothing more than a front for big business and as =
such couldn't care</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>less about the harm that will be done to consumers =
and non-profits.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>M. Sondow</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>"The law of nature, as a set of =
uncodified</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>commands implicitly accepted by the mind and</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>conscience of every reasonable person, is</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>merely the concept of divine law under =
another</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>name. Time and time again it has operated</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>to overthrow entire systems of positive =
law."</FONT>
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