[Ecommerce] Music Industry 'trying to hijack EU data laws'

[Eric Dierker]

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Mr. Williams et.al,

I see and can agree with your points. When we are faced with such compellin=
g individual and state interests that are somewhat at odds we certainly are=
 required to balance and yet come up with solutions. While we do not want t=
o throw the baby out with the bathwater or worse, Solomonize it, I think a =
compromize is in order.
I would limit the requirements for storage. Above the costs and technical f=
easibilities, long term retention of personal data is the devils playground=
 for innapropriate government intrusion - if you think I am wrong hold a se=
ance and ask McCarthy and Hoover.
However I would decrease the restrictions "police" have on accessing the da=
ta and work on e-warrants and streamline that process. Why should a terrori=
st be able to realtime it and an agent be required to wait on a wooden benc=
h outside some courtroom while the blueprints to Cisco's lab are routed to =
Iran?

Eric

Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
Dr. Deirker and all,

I believe that the concern of so much data retention by ISP's poses
several problems, not all related to civil liberties or violations there
of,
which it seems Marc is mostly concerned about.

One of the biggest problems is the cost of such data retention, which
would be passed on to consumers. Another is that when such data
is retained for lengthy periods of time, the exposure to data and ID
theft
becomes heightened and therefore causes even a greater law enforcement
that would not otherwise exist.

Eric Dierker wrote:

> Sure seems wrong on first blush.
>
> However, I hate people dying to terrorism, but I fear
> economic terrorism more. Via IT so much damage can be
> done. So I would not jump too quick to restrict
> policing powers.
>
> e
>
> --- Marc Rotenberg wrote:
>
> > EDRi. a coalition of European civil liberties
> > organizations, is waging
> > a critical campaign against the EU data retention
> > proposal.
> > They need support. More information at:
> >
> > http://www.edri.org/
> >
> > Marc Rotenberg.
> >
> >
> > On Nov 26, 2005, at 6:54 AM, Jeff Williams wrote:
> >
> > > All,
> > >
> > > The recording industry is trying to hijack the
> > EU's data retention
> > > directive,
> > > which is being brought in to fight terrorism, to
> > try and get their
> > > copyright
> > > battles fought for them. As previously reported,
> > the EU may be making
> > > copyright infringement a criminal offense, and the
> > Creative Media
> > > Business
> > > Alliance is lobbying hard to stop the European
> > laws on data retention
> > > being
> > > restricted to cover terrorism and organized crime
> > (as is currently
> > > proposed).
> > > In essence, they want to be able to get police to
> > search through newly
> > > extended records from ISPs to look for evidence of
> > illegal filesharing.
> > > In the words of the executive director of the Open
> > Rights group, 'the
> > > music industry's attempt to hijack this
> > legislation is a travesty and a
> > > gross affront to civil liberties and human rights.
> > >
> > > See:
> >
> http://news.zdnet.co.uk/business/legal/0,39020651,39238422,00.htm
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > --
> > > Jeffrey A. Williams
> > > Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 134k
> > members/stakeholders strong!)
> > > "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" -
> > > Abraham Lincoln
> > >
> > > "Credit should go with the performance of duty and
> > not with what is
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> > Roosevelt
> > >
> > > "If the probability be called P; the injury, L;
> > and the burden, B;
> > > liability depends upon whether B is less than L
> > multiplied by
> > > P: i.e., whether B is less than PL."
> > > United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d
> > Cir. 1947]
> > >
> >
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Regards,

--
Jeffrey A. Williams
Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 134k members/stakeholders strong!)
"Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" -
Abraham Lincoln

"Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is
very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt

"If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B;
liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by
P: i.e., whether B is less than PL."
United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947]
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Updated 1/26/04
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IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC.
ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402
E-Mail jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com
Registered Email addr with the USPS
Contact Number: 214-244-4827