[Dioxin-l] Bad halogens?

[Ralph Ryder]

In message <19991231203725.28920.qmail@hotmail.com>, david bell
<burnt_paper@hotmail.com> writes
>And so Ralph says;
>1) I am an 'industrialist'
>2) I haven't been living in the shadow of a massive incinerator and chemical 
>plant for two decades
>3) I am in the pay of industry
>4) I am appallingly ignorant about the level of education on the list
>
>These claims have in common that Ralph has no knowledge of what he speaks 
>about, and that he is wrong.
>
>My argument is simple; that activism is at its best when it is backed up by 
>cogent, and rational, facts and argument. 


What you are trying to say is that we do not have cogent and rational
facts and arguments. We have.  Is that so difficult for you to accept?

I notice you didn't deny you are an industrialist, or at least in the
pay of them. 

Happy New Year!

>It does great damage to let fly 
>with wild and unreliable allegations.
>
>Is this so difficult to accept ?
>
>yours
>david
>
>
>
>>I am also at a loss as to why these two industrialists' have suddenly
>>decided to bombard those of us living with incinerators (and chemical
>>facilities) for the last three decades with industrial scripted crap we
>>have heard the likes of many times over.
>>
>>Jon Campbell certainly doesn't need me to speak for him, but I for one
>>found the recent 'patronising' posting to him highly offensive. If
>>either of these two people had done half of what Jon Campbell has to
>>educate the general public on the issue in question they would be worth
>>talking to. As it is their postings are fair from reality consisting of
>>'selected' information. They are like all industrialists considering
>>their views, and theirs alone, as the only ones that count and those the
>>rest of us should be ruled by.
>>They are, as is common with industrialists and academics in the pay of
>>industry, showing an appalling ignorance about the level of education,
>>and real life experience on the list, and trying but failing very badly,
>>to hide behind carefully chosen scientific papers.
>>
>>Might I suggest they endeavour to look further than their wage packets
>>at what they and their paymasters are doing to the planet, and just
>>about every species on it.
>>
>>To Jon - don't waste your time with these two, your energies could be
>>better spent.
>>
>
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