[Am-info] Re: Recycled

[John J. Urbaniak]

I really don't want to keep this going, but people keep responding and I 
feel I should answer.

Mark Hinds wrote:

>
>
> Yeah, yeah its OT, what a horrible thing - tune it out, get a life.
> The election is hot stuff right now, there's ZIP MS stuff to talk about,
> and in the scheme of things our disdain for MS seems far less important.
>
> John J. Urbaniak wrote:
>
>> I wouldn't call myself "pro-Bush."    I really do disagree with 
>> Bush's policies on Microsoft.
>
>
> John, we've had this one before. You said you had other priorities and
> that's why you supported Bush in 2000. I'm fairly certain that taxes
> and moral issues were your other concerns, but I don't recall exactly
> what you said. Certainly Iraq was NOT one of your other concerns at
> the time. Sadam was a pain int the butt that needed to be watched, but he
> was a ZERO on the national debate at the time. Nation building was 
> however
> listed as a bad plan by Mr Bush, at least so he said then.
>
> '9/11 changed everything' Bull. Most things remain as they were. Right
> is still right, wrong is still wrong. Stupid policies still cost lives 
> and money.
> There were no significant ties between the 9/11 twits and Iraq until 
> AFTER
> our occupation. 


I fail to see why Democrats keep saying this.  There were no ties 
between Hitler and Pearl Harbor either, but we went to war against 
Germany and killed hundreds of thousands of Germans.  Hitler was an evil 
person and a menace to the world as well as his own people.  So was 
Saddam.  Removing both of them were good things.

If you really believe what you are saying, then I expect you to agree 
with the following actions:

1.  We should withdraw from Iraq immediately,

2.  We should release Saddam from prison and give him back all his palaces.

3.  We should give his army weapons and money to compensate for those we 
destroyed and put them back in power.

4.  We should immediately tear down all the schools, hospitals, 
business, etc. we built in Iraq to replace the ones that Saddam let go 
to ruin while he was busy spending oil money on his palaces and weapons 
and bribes to UN and Euro leaders.

I take it Mark, that you believe that we should do the above things.  If 
you don't then I can legitimately accuse you of hypocrisy.

>
>
>> But I do believe that the media, both domestic and international, 
>> have grossly distorted the Iraqi situation.  I believe that the UN is 
>> definitely an anti-American and corrupt organization.  And I believe 
>> that the French are not our allies, but our enemies.
>
> When find them selves saying that everyone else is wrong and you are
> right, that's when its time to change your name - Bill Gates comes to 
> mind. 


I didn't say everyone.  I think the Australians are right, the Poles, 
Tony Blair, the Italians, the Spanish leader Azanar (SP?), etc.

>
> You know the French actually have WMD's, of the nukular variety -
> (God I'm going to miss hearing that! 4 more days!). 


Yes, you may not have to hear the word nukular..  Instead, you'll be 
hearing the word  "idear."  Kerry mispronounces "idear" all the time.  
What a doofus he is for mispronouncing a word.

And you are correct, Kerry may just win this election.  In a perverse 
way, I sort of hope he does.  Because he will be stuck in a place where 
his talent for waffling won't help him one bit.

The Republicans won't support anything he does.

One third of the Democrats want him to withdraw from Iraq immediately.

One third want him to withdraw in six months and announce the date.

He won't be able to do either of these, because he can't afford to let 
Iraq go over to the terrorists.  They might just discover all those WMDs 
that are buried there and in other Muslim countries.

So two thirds of the Democrats won't support him either.

His European buddies won't lift a finger to help him unless he agrees to 
sell Israel out.  He won't be able to do that,

So while the Democrats will cheer Bush's defeat, it won't take long for 
the entire country to really end up hating Kerry.  It will be justly 
deserved.

The only problem is that your children and grandchildren will pay the 
price,  Thank God I have no children.

> Are you suggesting
> that we should invade them too? I think you'll them a hell of lot tougher
> than the Iraqi's. 


No, we shouldn't invade France.  We just shouldn't buy their stupid 
products, like Renaults, Citroens, wine and Brie, etc.  We can get 
better products right here in America.  And I really like Australian wine.

> GW seems to bring out the absolute worst in Americans. 


Nope, the worst in Democrats and the media.  Makes them all liars.

>
>
>> I also believe that John Kerry betrayed Viet Nam soldiers and POWs in 
>> the 70s and he's betraying our soldiers again in Iraq.  He did these 
>> betrayals for his own political gain.
>
> I believe John Kerry acted honorably in attacking the BOGUS War in 
> Vietnam.
> We killed a million Vietnamese and 50,000 American troops in a BS 
> proxy war
> as part of a faulty cold war strategy. 


We didn't start the war in Viet Nam.  The French did.

> In the end it failed - Things turned out
> the same in 75 as they would have turned out if we had left in 60 - 
> The North
> took over, but eventually the Soviet Union fell apart under its own 
> weight and
> so the cold war ended. Some claim that the protesters lengthened the 
> war by
> breaking the US resolve to carry it out 'properly' - does 'properly' mean
> killing twice as many Vietnamese? All such speculation is nonsensical; 
> The
> war might just as likely gone on longer with the same conclusion had 
> there
> been no protests.
>
> Like it or not we have the right to protest our government's actions 
> when we disagree.
> Kerry Betrayed no one. Our leaders betrayed us and in particular the 
> soldiers whom
> they conscripted to carry out a ill conceived policy. 


You might ask the Swift Vets and the POWs if they believe that Kerry 
betrayed them.  Lots of them do.

>
>
> So, that's what I believe John, and it seems vastly more rational to 
> me than what you
> believe, and certainly is no less meritorious. 


You're entitled to your opinions.  But I don't think they're any more 
rational than mine.

John

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> Mark
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