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[madodel@ptdprolog.net]

In <41804A1A.6050004@3times25.net>, on 10/27/04 at 09:23 PM,
   Geoffrey <esoteric@3times25.net> said:

>madodel@ptdprolog.net wrote:

>> Where did Mr. Kerry say that invading Afghanistan was a bad idea?
>> The world supported us, and so did the American people.  However Mr
>> Bush and Mr. Cheyney had to lie to us to get us entangled in Iraq.

>That is utter bullshit, there were a number of UN resolutions that Iraq 
>never met.  The last of which permitted force to have him comply.

You hide behind the UN when it suits you and condemn them when it doesn't.
Where are the white helmets in Baghdad?  Bush didn't stand on the UN
resolutions when he attacked Iraq.  He sited the WMDs, which his Secretary
of State detailed with photos before the UN all the while the UN be damned
and who cares what the weapons inspectors found or didn't find. Where are
the items detailed in those photos?  Where are the WMDs?  Now its to
spread democracy throughout the world.  What will the story be next year
when its clear that the puppet regime is yet another dictatorship
murdering and imprisoning the population?  

So where did Kerry say that invading Afghanistan was wrong?  You made the
statement.  Back it up. 

>> For that alone those bastards don't deserve another 4 years.  But
>> these idiots have been on the wrong side of just about every other
>> issue as well.  But you will never admit that, just as Mr. Bush will
>> never admit that what we have done so far in Iraq was a mistake at
>> best.  Not just attacking another country, but the conduct of the war
>> has been a complete disgrace as well.

>'just about every other issue as well' is such a vague statement it 
>doesn't warrant a response.

Wouldn't matter anyway would it?  You can see no wrong in anything these
guys do.  Its truly amazing how perfect you all are and so damn sure of
yourselves as you march into oblivion in lock step. 

>> The reasons for attacking Iraq were made up lies.  The UN had nothing
>> to do with it.

>Really?  Where have you been since Iraq invaded Kuwait?  Do some bloody 
>research before opening your mouth and demonstrating either ignorance or 
>foolishness:

Mr. Bush I had no interest in bringing down Saddam, so what has that got
to do with the current situation?  Are you saying we had to invade Iraq
because of Kuwait?

>There are over 30 UN resolutions regarding Iraq and it's aggression 
>towards Kuwait and other nations.  Included in many of these UN 
>resolutions are the requirements of Iraq go comply with disarmament.

>Further, are outlined the use of force to induce Iraq's compliance.

Where did the UN agree that an invasion was necessary?  Site the UN vote
please?  And not a vague reference to use of force.  A genuine statement
listing invasion and regime change.  No one sane starts a war over a
tantrum.  Now is the point you change your tune and say the US doesn't
need anyone's permission to attack anyone it sees fit.

>Start with Resolution 1441 and see for yourself.  I'll simply assume 
>you're ignorant rather than foolish.

Not as ignorant as our president.  About his only economic savings will be
Mr. Bush's presidential library, which could be housed in a shoe box.  I'm
sure his buddies can easily afford that.

>> Maybe you don't have children, but I do.  My concern is a serious
>> one.  My children will inherit the mess these dolts have created.
>> And I'm fed up with it.

>I do have children, and I take this very serious as well.  It is well 
>documented that Iraq provided safe haven to many terrorists.  Do you 
>think Abu Musab al-Zarqawi just happened to move into Iraq AFTER we 
>brought Saddam down?

And what of the 19 terrorists residing in the US prior to 9/11, the ones
the Justice Department had no interest in investigating, despite having
one of their comrades in custody weeks before.  The administration
(particularly Mr. Ashcroft) had no interest in Al Queda prior to or even
after 9/11.  That is documented in the 9/11 report.

Your children and mine will have to live with the mess these idiots have
wrought.

Mark

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