[Am-info] Re: MS Depositions

[Hans Reiser]

Sujal Shah wrote:

>On Thu, 2002-01-31 at 17:28, Eric Bennett wrote:
>[SNIP]
>
>>Are you sure about that?  Understanding that Windows existed in 1.0 and 2.0
>>versions before it became popular with the the 3.0 release.  I thought
>>Windows was out *before* X.
>>
>>http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:UMYJDmm0mG8C:www.wikipedia.com/wiki/History_of_the_graphical_user_interface+Wikipedia+history+of+the+graphical+user+interface&hl=en
>> 
>>
>
>Depends on who you ask.  Windows 1.0 came out in '85.
>
>The X Protocol was released, depending on who you ask, in the
>early-to-mid 80's (x.org says mid-80's).  The question then is when was
>the first working implementation released... I can't find that right
>now.
>
>Also, for those of you that don't know, XFree86 does not equal X Windows
>(XFree86 is an open source implementation of X11R6, released by the
>X.org group).  Ah, I lied.  On the home page is a quote:  "Since its
>first commercial release in 1986..." so there you have it.  The
>commercial release of X was during the year after Windows 1.0 came out.
>
>However, to add to the complexity, Windows 1.0 was only a multitasker
>(no windows could overlap, so tile based display).  The first Windows
>version that looks like X does was in December of 87.
>
>See 
>
>http://www.zdnet.com/pcmag/features/windows98/history.html
>http://www.x.org
>
>I have the X protocol spec (parts of it) at home on my bookshelf
>(required for a class in college...).  I'll see if I can get a better
>date out of there (copyright, maybe?).
>
>Anyways.
>
>Sujal
>
>Sujal
>
>>As for Paul's comment, ISTR that Microsoft won largely because of a license
>>Apple had granted to Microsoft.  Apple claimed they overstepped the
>>licensed but the court disagreed.  That would not set any legal precedent
>>that would allow others to copy Microsoft, unless Microsoft had signed
>>similar licenses.
>>
>>-- 
>>Eric Bennett ( ericb@pobox.com ; http://www.pobox.com/~ericb )
>>
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sorry, but X windows was first, it is much older than 1986....

Hans