[Am-info] Re: Am-info digest, Vol 1 #889 - 14 msgs
sturde@az.com
sturde@az.com
Sat, 15 Dec 2001 15:50:19 -0800
In <20011215050901.5D0F429B5F@lists.essential.org>, on 12/15/01
at 12:09 AM, am-info-request@venice.essential.org said:
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>Today's Topics:
> 1. LinuxPlanet / Crunch Time - Speak Now or Ever After . . . Regret
>Your
> Silence (Mark Hinds)
> 2. Microsoft top security officer expected to join U.S. cybersecurity
>team (madodel@ptdprolog.net)
> 3. Aetna Plans 6,000 Job Cuts, Including 150 IT Positions (Fred A.
>Miller)
> 4. Re: Re: Who supports settlement, who got money from MS? (Felmon
>Davis)
> 5. Threat to Internet security is still Microsoft (Fred A. Miller)
> 6. Re: New Apple store near Beantown (Erick Andrews)
> 7. Re: New Apple store near Beantown (madodel@ptdprolog.net)
> 8. Re: New Apple store near Beantown (Eric Bennett)
> 9. Re: New Apple store near Beantown (Mitch Stone)
> 10. Re: New Apple store near Beantown (Erick Andrews)
> 11. Re: New Apple store near Beantown (Erick Andrews)
> 12. Re: New Apple store near Beantown (Mitch Stone)
> 13. Re: New Apple store near Beantown (Paul Rickard)
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>Message: 1
>Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 10:02:27 -0800
>From: Mark Hinds <zoro980@attbi.com>
>To: am-info <am-info@venice.essential.org>
>Subject: [Am-info] LinuxPlanet / Crunch Time - Speak Now or Ever After .
>. . Regret Your
> Silence
>http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/opinions/3952/1/
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>Message: 2
>From: madodel@ptdprolog.net
>Reply-To: Computerworld_Daily@Computerworld.com
>Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 14:49:01 -0500
>To: am-info@lists.essential.org
>Subject: [Am-info] Microsoft top security officer expected to join U.S.
>cybersecurity team
>I suppose next they'll make bin laden an anti-terrorist advisor.
>From: Computerworld_Daily@Computerworld.com
>Microsoft top security officer expected to join U.S. cybersecurity team
>President Bush is expected to name Microsoft's chief security officer,
>Howard Schmidt, as vice chairman of the newly constituted federal
>Critical Infrastructure Protection Board.
>http://computerworld.com/nlt/1%2C3590%2CNAV47_STO66651_NLTAM%2C00.html
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>Message: 3
>From: "Fred A. Miller" <fm@cupserv.org>
>Reply-To: fm@cupserv.org
>Organization: CUPS
>To: "am-info" <am-info@venice.essential.org>
>Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 14:57:00 -0500
>Subject: [Am-info] Aetna Plans 6,000 Job Cuts, Including 150 IT Positions
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>Aetna Plans 6,000 Job Cuts, Including 150 IT Positions
>Aetna Inc. today announced plans to cut 6,000 jobs in 2002 through
>layoffs and attrition, including the layoff of 150 IT workers.
>http://computerworld.com/nlt/1%2C3590%2CNAV47_STO66583_NLTWK%2C00.html
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>Fred A. Miller
>Systems Administrator
>Cornell Univ. Press Services
>fm@cupserv.org
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>Message: 4
>From: Felmon Davis <davisf@union.edu>
>Reply-To: davisf@union.edu
>To: <am-info@venice.essential.org>
>Subject: Re: [Am-info] Re: Who supports settlement, who got money from MS?
>Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 15:44:21 -0500
>On Thursday 13 December 2001 06:02 pm, Mitch Stone wrote:
>> --- From a message sent by Will Occam on 12/13/01 1:35 PM ---
>>[...]
>> If someone has made a patently counter-factual statement, or even a
>> disingenuous one,
>>[...]
>weird, in my discipline, 'counterfactual' statements can be true: "If
>I were Bill Gates, I'd open-source Windows" is a counterfactual.
>(Don't know if it's true though!)
>I agree with your substantive point. just an orthogonal remark.
>Felmon
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>Message: 5
>From: "Fred A. Miller" <fm@cupserv.org>
>Reply-To: fm@cupserv.org
>Organization: CUPS
>To: "am-info" <am-info@venice.essential.org>
>Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 16:43:38 -0500
>Subject: [Am-info] Threat to Internet security is still Microsoft
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>Since 11 September the world has changed immeasurably, but some things
>remain the same. The single greatest threat to Internet security is
>still Microsoft -¡ not the soon to be Osama Haz Bin.
>http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/23418.html
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>Fred A. Miller
>Systems Administrator
>Cornell Univ. Press Services
>fm@cupserv.org
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>Message: 6
>From: "Erick Andrews" <eandrews@star.net>
>To: "Multiple recipients of list" <am-info@venice.essential.org>
>Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 16:54:46 -0500 (EST)
>Reply-To: "Erick Andrews" <eandrews@star.net>
>Subject: Re: [Am-info] New Apple store near Beantown
>On Fri, 14 Dec 2001 14:28:12 +0000, John Poltorak wrote:
>>On Fri, Dec 14, 2001 at 09:04:35AM -0500, Erick Andrews wrote:
>>> It's nice to see even a little more competition to M$ even though
>>> very small. Actually, this new retail store is not near any Microsoft
>>> facilities, here in the People Republic of Cambridge, but I know that
>>> it is right across the street from Lotus' headquarters.
>>>
>>> For all you Mac folks, here's the item...
>>
>>
>>I hate to see people perpetuating this myth... Apple is not a Microsoft
>>competitor. Apple is a hardware company. To suggest that Apple is a
>>competitor dilutes the case that Microsoft has a 100% monopoly on the
>>desktop, and you get stupid commentators saying that you are not forced to
>>use Windows 'cos you can always buy a Mac'. Until MacOS runs on Intel it
>>cannot be described as something which provides any real choice to using
>>Windows.
>Macintosh does not run a "Windows" operating system, so I don't understand
>your point, legally, in your last sentence above. I'm sure you know that.
>Apple is not just a "hardware company". Microsoft, as far as I've ever
>understood, did not write the Macintosh operating systems for the Motorola
>cpu's found in Apple's hardware. Once upon a time, Apple was closer to
>Unix and academia before Windows came along.
>To be sure, application software like M$ Office and "Lookout Express"
>are being shoved down the throats of new Mac buyers, but correct me if
>I've forgotten, there are other Mac choices for these apps, too. Less and less
>now of an ideal choice, but no worse than IBM's half hearted support of
>my preferred OS: Warp.
>Although many of us refer to "PC's" as Intel platforms (usually to mean MS
>OS's these days), and Mac's as a distinctly different platform, most users in
>the world don't know or care that much unless faced with fair choices.
>Microsoft does NOT have a *100%* monopoly on the "fat client" desktop,
>but it does *have* a monopoly damned close to it. Still an illegal one.
>They are all desktop computers setup for the personal use of one user.
>I prefer to call them fat clients, more so now with mainstream networking
>capability, but what the lawyers and judges accept lately is another story.
>Judge Jackson became enlightened about this and understands the law
>and came to understand the need for more choice -- and wrote a very long
>document called "Findings of Fact".
>Over simplifying "100%" monopoly here, "hardware company" there,
>PC, Desktop, and Macintosh somewhere else...may be useful as a
>limited introduction on the issues to those less informed...but I want
>more credibility and influence with those who should be more
>technically and legally savvy of the industry: to act against Microsoft.
>I don't want to sound like I'm preaching to the choir, but now consider
>this: many, many "hardware" manufacturers today have become virtual
>Microsoft companies. Too many new PC products [sic] must be hacked
>by developers and users of OS's other than Windows to get them to work.
>Kind of similar to Apple's position today, but the other shoe.
>>To all intents and purposes you are tied in to buying Windows when
>>you buy a PC even though it is not required for using the PC. This is
>>something which must be drilled home so that it eventually gets through
>>to the general public.
>No argument here. The slimey blob expands and oozes along. Those
>who need the most drilling are the new judges and fearful prosecutors.
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