[Am-info] Re: Nader Vote

[Gene Gaines]

Matthew,

Perhaps I am in error.  I have read that Nader is not on the 
ballot in most states.  I will do some research, and if I am 
wrong, I apologize.

In any event, I respect your opinion and the time you put into
thinking through your position.

I am neither a "Gore man" nor a "Nader man".  If I was confident
that my vote could not make a difference in the Gove vs Bush
election, then I certainly would vote for Nader.  But, as I have
said, late polls show the race much closer than I anticipated.

Conditions have changes in the last several weeks, and for this 
reason I respectfully disagree with your original email.  

I am distressed by the argument you make in your email is that a 
vote for Nader will do no harm.

My difference with you is that, for many people, a vote for Nader
WILL harm Gore's chances.

Also, I do not believe you attempted to mislead in any way, and
my email does not attempt to mislead.

Finally, I want to compliment you for taking a active role.  

All these words may affront some people on this list, but personally
I believe that any potential for applying the law to Microsoft 
hinges on this election.  

With respect,

Gene Gaines
gene.gaines@gainesgroup.com
Sterling, Virginia


Matthew Elvey wrote:
> 
> Gene,
>         First of all, your personal attack on me is totally unwarranted.
>         Secondly, that last posting of yours takes the cake.  The clueless reader
> would interpret the text of your email as content from cluebot, and then the
> cluebot posting is based on a study in which "trend lines were constructed
> by eye" and California is considered a key battleground state.
> Supposedly, I'm the one who doesn't have the facts straight, yet YOU CLAIM
> THAT
>   Nader "is not on the ballot in the great majority of states"?
> Let's leave it to the readers of this list to decide who's more credible,
> and let this flame war die.
> August: "Nader is already on the ballot in 38 states, and is expected to be
> on in at least 45 states by Election Day."
> http://votenader.org/press/000825ilballot.html
> 
> I begin to suspect that, if it were (hypothetically) up to you, you'd prefer
> to have Gore as President instead of Nader, and  that's your real motivation
> for your unsupported attacks and attempt to silence Nader supporters.  Of
> course you'll deny this.  Yet you privately email me warning me that I'd
> better stop supporting Nader on AM-INFO, and then you turn around and loudly
> promote Gore on AM-INFO yourself.
> 
> Again, I'd like to reaffirm that the majority will vote in uncontested
> states, where a vote for Nader is the only one that will really count.  I'm
> sorry that the facts don't mesh with your opinion, but I don't see what's
> more obvious than the claim that a Nader supporter can safely vote for Gore
> instead of Nader in states where the electoral college vote outcome is
> consistently predicted by the polls, irrespective of Green party votes.
> Besides, polls (surprisingly!) state that almost a third of Nader voters
> would otherwise be voting for Bush!
> 
> VOTE.  If you're in a state where the polls consistently show a winner,
> please consider Nader.
> Nader on MS: http://slate.msn.com/Features/NaderMS/NaderMS.asp
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: am-info-admin@lists.essential.org
> > [mailto:am-info-admin@lists.essential.org]On Behalf Of Gene Gaines
> > Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2000 11:13 AM
> > To: AM-INFO
> > Subject: Re: [Am-info] Re: Nader Vote
> >
> >
> > A warning, I hope constructive.<snip, snip> Engaging in political
> activity, SUCH AS DISCUSSIONS OF THE
> > PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION ON THIS EMAIL LIST is against the law for
> > a non-profit, tax-exempt organization.
> > <snip, snip>
> > In addition, the argument put forth by Matthew Elvey (below) are
> > wrong on several fronts.  In fact, I view his email as political
> > disinformation at is most dishonest and worst.
> >
> > His is wrong in the "facts" he quotes, and the way he twists
> > them into an argument that Gore does not need your vote, so why
> > not vote for Nader.  Wrong!
> >
> 
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