[A2k] Re: [Upd-discuss] Re: [Broadcast-discuss] Regarding Google and
YouTube
Jeff Williams
jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com
Tue Nov 7 08:36:01 2006
Jay, Gwen and all,
Google rarely takes a public stance on anything. Google wants it's
cake and eat it too. And so far, it has been getting it. Talking
with Google will do little good, and obviscation is their game, and
they play it well. My concern is to their business ethics.
Jay Sulzberger wrote:
> On Mon, 6 Nov 2006, Gwen Hinze wrote:
>
> > Note that unlike Yahoo!, which has expressly advocated for the treaty, =
Google
> > has *not* taken a public stance on this Treaty.
> >
> >
> > Gwen
>
> Let us speak with Google.
>
> oo--JS.
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > At 8:02 AM -0500 10/30/06, Seth Johnson wrote:
> >> A few strands to link up:
> >>
> >> Youtube's practice is precisely in accord with the WIPO
> >> Broadcaster's Treaty. The notion is to watermark video streams
> >> so you can tell who broadcast particular broadcasts, then create
> >> an unconstitutional, but international-treaty-based
> >> "broadcaster's right" to enforce that in complete disregard for
> >> basic rights. A fundamental change in the nature of the public
> >> domain (and the Internet).
> >>
> >> I don't know a lot about the "Homeland Stupidity" site that
> >> follows, but take note of the following (text pasted below):
> >>
> >>>
> >>> http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/02/22/google-in-bed-with-us-inte=
lligence/
> >>
> >>
> >> Google recently acquired Youtube. Despite their net neutrality
> >> stance, Google is now in a position to help facilitate the end of
> >> net neutrality through the broadcaster's treaty.
> >>
> >>
> >> Seth
> >>
> >> ---
> >>
> >>>
> >>> http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/02/22/google-in-bed-with-us-inte=
lligence/
> >>
> >> Google in bed with U.S. intelligence
> >>
> >>
> >> By Michael Hampton
> >>
> >> Posted: February 22, 2006 11:31 am
> >>
> >>
> >> Even while Google presents a public image of vigorously
> >> protecting its users=92 privacy, it has quietly provided assistance
> >> to several U.S. intelligence agencies, such as the Central
> >> Intelligence Agency and Defense Intelligence Agency, as the U.S.
> >> prosecutes its war on terrorism. In addition, Google may be
> >> providing assistance to the National Security Agency.
> >>
> >> IT contractors and intelligence officials familiar with the
> >> arrangement confirmed to HSToday.us that Google had been
> >> providing assistance to the intelligence community, but would not
> >> say under what authority that assistance had been requested or
> >> provided.
> >>
> >> The intelligence community appears to be interested in data
> >> mining Google=92s vast store of information on each user who uses
> >> Google=92s services. Google collects data on each user=92s search
> >> queries, which web sites users visited after making a query, and
> >> through its Google Analytics service, can also track users on
> >> cooperating web sites. It=92s not clear what level of access to or
> >> how much of this information has been made available to
> >> intelligence agencies.
> >>
> >> The contractor, who spoke on a not-for-attribution basis,
> >> said that at least one US intelligence agency he declined to
> >> identify is working to =93leverage Google=92s [user] data monitoring=
=94
> >> capability as part of an effort by the IC to glean from this data
> >> information of =93national security intelligence interest=94 in the
> >> war on terror. . . .
> >>
> >> One of the sources did say, however, that the CIA=92s Office of
> >> Research and Development =93has been giving them additional money
> >> and guidance and requirements.=94
> >>
> >> Last November, the CIA - through In-Q-Tel [CIA venture
> >> capital company] - issued notices to sell $2.2 million worth of
> >> Google stock.
> >>
> >> Robert David Steele, intelligence veteran and CEO of OSS.Net,
> >> Inc. which sponsored last week=92s event, told HSToday.us Tuesday
> >> evening that =93Google is being actively hypocritical and deceptive
> >> in playing up its refusal to help the Department of Justice when
> >> all along it has been taking money and direction for elements of
> >> the US Intelligence Community, including the Office of Research
> >> and Development at the Central Intelligence Agency, In-Q-Tel, and
> >> in all probability, both the National Security Agency (NSA) and
> >> the Army=92s Intelligence and Security Command.=94
> >>
> >> Steele added, =93I have no doubt that Google, in its arrogance,
> >> decided it could make a deal with the devil and not get caught.=94
> >> =97 HSToday.us
> >>
> >> If you are extremely concerned about the possibility that your
> >> private browsing information is going to wind up in the hands of
> >> U.S. intelligence agencies, you can throw a spanner in the works
> >> by blocking cookies from the following domains: google.com,
> >> googlesyndication.com, google-analytics.com, and your
> >> country-specific Google domain (e.g. google.co.uk). If you
> >> actually use Google services, such as Google Mail, then this
> >> obviously will prevent you from using those services.
> >>
> >> Even with cookies blocked, a limited amount of user tracking is
> >> possible, so unless you really are a terrorist, it probably isn=92t
> >> worth the trouble. I still have all of my Google Cookies. Then
> >> again, I already know they=92re watching me=85
> >>
> >>
> >> --
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> >
> > --
> > Gwen Hinze
> > International Affairs Director
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