Louise Oram Please answer previous individual points

[GCJeffrey@aol.com]

Louise


I see that you received my note on how
to subscribe-submit to this list....good.

CDD = Chronic Degenerative Disease
such as diabetes.


My most important point is item 3.1

It explains why I do not put much faith in
your referenced "research" on diabetes-dioxin.

3.1  Long term dioxin exposure,
multigenerational dioxin exposure,
multiple chemical exposure (along with dioxin
induced P450 detox system overload) and
biological vectors in the subtropical
southeastern US  (immune system suppression
by dioxin) are all issues not being addressed
as a system by people who seem to present
the diabetes-dioxin issue as you have
presented it.


You wrote:

[[GC Jeffery 
It's one thing to have a difference of opinion with someone.
etc.......]]

Item 1
My name is spelled JeffREy

A person who is "qualified" to reviews research
in detail should not miss details.

I have an excuse for my dyslexia; I walked
through PCB oil which soaked into my work
boots, was exposed to paper mill & incinerator
dioxins, etc., and tested positive for 5 heavy metals. 

That is why I questioned your reversing the
letters in my name.


Item 2

2.1  I clearly numbered each of your statements,
answered your statements and posted same.

2.2  [[You hacked away at what I said to present yourself
in a good light knowing I had no recourse.]]

I did not omit a single word and you said that
you were receiving copies of the posting through
a friend.

Look the past posting and you will find that
I "cc." your E-mail address (except one mistake
of "i" instead of "L" on the last post which I
assume you used to gain posting access to
this list as I intended.)

Other people on this list have noted that you
are a regular reader of this list.....and a regular
sender of E-mail to people on this list.

Don't play the victim, grow up.


2.3   I am still waiting on numbered answers to each
point of my note of  10/27/99 3:03:25 PM.



Item 3 General, AGAIN

3.1  Long term dioxin exposure,
multigenerational dioxin exposure,
multiple chemical exposure (intensified
by dioxin induced P450 detox system
overload) and biological vectors in the
subtropical southeastern US  (immune
system suppression by dioxin) are
all issues not being addressed as a
system by people who seem to present
the diabetes-dioxin issue as you have
presented it.

3.2   As many people have pointed out on this list:

CDD diabetes associated gene damage/endocrine
system "memory" problems can take decades
to develop.


3.3   Corruption of  mortality data:  In a recent
conversation with people in another paper mill town,
it was stated that certifying death by cancer was
avoided by the medical examiner who received
funding from the paper mill.
I certainly question if this has really happened.

I wonder if this is true for paper mill area deaths
by diabetes. 

I continue to hear this same story in other
"company towns."

My understanding is that you have never worked
as a medical examiner so you would not be
involved in writing death certificates.

Maybe a Federal Grand Jury is in order to find
the truth in this matter as corrupted death
certificate data would skew the diabetes research
data.


3.4    Chronic Degenerative Disease Conditions.
CDD's like diabetes, porphyria and thyroid dysfunctions
plus NHL cancer have increased over the last
30 years and will bankrupt Social Security and
Medicare.....

3.5     Rome is burning while the CDC fiddles.

The Federal govt. has had more than 30 years
of warning on halide toxicology and these CDD
conditions such as increasing diabetes.

I am sure that you do not set overall CDC policy
but a change of direction is indicated.


3.6   The "unsolved" dioxin exposure-CDD development
multi-variable problem is like two other multivariable
type problems previously solved:

3.6.1   Stock Market "Dow" is dependent on multi-variables
and it is therefore mathematically dangerous to pick
only one variable to define where to invest your
money.
A number of people have produced fairly successful
multi-variable mathematical models of the stock market.

3.6.2   Multi-variable industrial process control is
a successful method of analysing, predicting and
controlling.

Looking back over my career as a process control
guru and the fact that I saved many industrial
plants from fuzzy thinking, I wonder how many
plant employees have lost their jobs to the third
world because of dioxin induced fuzzy thinking
affecting the bottom line profit.

I was highly successful in this multivariable area
and it gives me some perspective as to what I consider
to be "much less than adequate" research methodology
in the dioxin area.

  
Again, you have not answered my points, one
by one.


Again, have you had regular tissue or at
least blood samples taken for dioxin/cogers?

Don't consider this an insult..... in fact I am
curious as to CDC policy on protecting it's
chemically exposed employees health w/r
toxicology professional medical care.



George C. JeffREy  BS Chemical Engineering
Process Control
CDC Lab Human in the 100 year halide experiment.

ps. President Clinton just lowered the dioxin
generation reporting level as covered by previous
posts by others;  thanks for agreeing
that dioxin is dangerous......from your
statements,  I guess that you believe that
the dioxin problem is not solved and dioxin
researchers are not ready to transition to
those Mary Kaye-Amway jobs.


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