Re: Incineration & Evil Intent

["Jon Campbell" <jon@cqs.com>]

  Susan,
  
        Precisely correct, at least in my opinion. Wheelabrator (BioGro,
  AllGro) and N-Viro know exactly what they are doing - they have transformed
  hazardous sewage sludge into fertilizer by changing its name. They are not
  naive.
  
  Some of the scientists who support the endeavor, and certainly many of the
  distributors naively believe the EPA regulations, set by a committee led by
  a stockholder, consultant, and now officer of N-Viro, are protective of
  health. Pure rubbish, if you'll pardon the expression.
  
  The MSW composters, typically smaller operations, are in a class by
  themselves. Some of them really believe they are not harming the environment
  or people. (One of them believes he is an alchemist. I am not making this
  up...he claims he makes lead, cadmium, and arsenic disappear). These guys
  are harmless if you restrict them to the separated biological garbage that
  is now part of trash. 100% recycling efforts separate all compostable
  components, making large-scale composting a safe (albeit rather expensive)
  endeavor.
  
  Thanks
  Jon
  -----Original Message-----
  From: Susan Snow <sksnow@1stnet.com>
  To: Multiple recipients of list <dioxin-l@essential.org>
  Date: Thursday, December 04, 1997 12:02 AM
  Subject: Re: Incineration & Evil Intent
  
  
  >Jon and Rebecca,
  >I believe the same thing is occurring with people who peddle municipal
  >solid waste and/or sewage sludge compost facilities, which peddle their
  >toxic compost for use on farmlands and gardens across the nation.  This
  >sludge may contain dioxin and PCBs, but EPA from what I understand, is
  >not regulating these contaminants in the sludge --now linquistically
  >detoxified as biosolids and sold as an ''organic'' compost, potting
  >soil, or fertilizer.
  >
  >Susan
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  >
  >
  >
  >Jon Campbell wrote:
  >>
  >> Hi, Rebecca,
  >>
  >>       In my posting, I did not intend to cast all of the people who
  promoted
  >> incinerators as evil. Most were just misinformed about the dangers.
  >>
  >>       The incinerator companies knew better, however. They just didn't
  let
  >> on that anything was amiss...
  >> I believe that it was a well-coordinated scheme to divert public money to
  >> private hands through the floating of municipal bonds.
  >>
  >> Thanks
  >> Jon
  >>
  >> -----Original Message-----
  >> From: Rebecca Leighton Katers <cwac@mail.execpc.com>
  >> To: Multiple recipients of list <dioxin-l@essential.org>
  >> Date: Wednesday, December 03, 1997 8:53 AM
  >> Subject: Incineration & Evil Intent
  >>
  >> >While everyone should certainly know better now,
  >> >I agree with Sam McClintock's assessment that
  >> >many incinerator promoters in the 70s and 80s
  >> >were probably well-meaning.
  >> >
  >> >As a college student in 1981, I took a course in
  >> >Solid Waste Management.  The professor in that
  >> >course was essentially a nice man who was
  >> >mesmerized by the promise of incinerators, and he
  >> >passed "the magic" on to all his students.   Our
  >> >class project for the semester was to "plan" a
  >> >MSW incinerator for downtown Green Bay,
  >> >Wisconsin.
  >> >
  >> >The Professor was absolutely convinced that
  >> >incinerators were the "Answer."   In fact, I got
  >> >in quite a bit of trouble asking more than once
  >> >why we didn't study or discuss recycling.   He
  >> >stormed at me and said it didn't work --- they
  >> >had already tried it in Green Bay in the 70s and
  >> >no one cooperated.   He said our job was to
  >> >manage the solid waste once it was generated ---
  >> >the only people still talking about recycling
  >> >were soft-headed environmentalists.
  >> >
  >> >Let's face it --- to those who see only the good
  >> >of incineration there seem to be a lot of
  >> >benefits:  waste to energy, reduced landfill
  >> >needs, destruction of pathogens,  high-tech
  >> >magic, etc.   It seems like the pinnacle of
  >> >modern, even environmental, answers to solid
  >> >waste.   It turned waste into a resource.
  >> >
  >> >And everyone I knew then believed that air
  >> >pollution control equipment took care of any
  >> >minor pollution problems.   Everyone
  >> >assumed "the regulations are strict" --- (THIS IS
  >> >WHERE WE NEED TO FOCUS OUR PUBLIC
  >> >EDUCATION!!)
  >> >
  >> >I remember from that old class that several
  >> >professors were working together to address the
  >> >financing, waste flow, siting and other details
  >> >--- and they were ALL enthusiastic supporters of
  >> >the project.
  >> >
  >> >They didn't know any better.   They were missing
  >> >critical pieces of information.    These
  >> >professors weren't "evil," but they did have
  >> >tunnel-vision.
  >> >
  >> >When I was elected County Supervisor and City
  >> >Alderwoman in 1988, the incinerator was being
  >> >formally proposed.   But by then, I had read a
  >> >great deal about incinerator disasters (financial
  >> >and environmental) across the country and
  >> >convinced the local government that it was risky
  >> >and needed more investigation.
  >> >
  >> >In the meantime, Wisconsin passed a strong
  >> >recycling law, and Green Bay now has a very
  >> >successful curb-side recycling program, in
  >> >addition to a permanent household hazardous waste
  >> >drop-off site.
  >> >
  >> >The MSW incinerator never happened, but we're
  >> >still siting landfills for the remaining waste
  >> >--- and neighbors of those sites STILL want a
  >> >MSW incinerator, hoping it will prevent a
  >> >landfill by their homes.
  >> >
  >> >(And many of our papermills propose incinerators
  >> >for their waste sludges....)
  >> >
  >> >I think we should hold the incineration
  >> >specialists' feet to the fire, because they
  >> >surely knew about toxic emissions
  >> >coming from incinerators.
  >> >
  >> >But the less-informed people who supported these
  >> >projects didn't know any better.   And the
  >> >majority of people promoting incinerators
  >> >probably fit in this second category.
  >> >
  >> >It's inaccurate (and a waste to time) to blame
  >> >ALL incinerator supporters for evil intent.
  >> >
  >> >Rebecca Leighton Katers
  >> >Clean Water Action Council of N.E. Wisconsin
  >> >2220 Deckner Avenue
  >> >Green Bay, WI 54302
  >> >Phone:  920-468-4243
  >> >Fax:  920-468-1234
  >> >E-mail:  cwac@execpc.com
  >> >
  >
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