Mitch and folks, Sorry for the error in an earlier note. I just tried what I wrote to get to an article and lo, not even close enough to be confusing! So here goes again: http://www.computerworld.com/idx_usea.htm Search for: kim nash and carol sliwa that should find one article - playing the game CW frame traps any internal URLs, I guess - there is no direct page ref to give you. Major apologies. -pap