Re: PVC White Paper

[Mark Robinowitz <mrobinowitz@igc.org>]

At 10:32 PM 10/3/96 -0400, you wrote:
>Mark:
>
>Based on the discussions at this site, one could conlude that any country you
>care to name is "authoritarian...(with) no democratic input into government
>and corporate policies."
>

name one country in east asia (with the possible exception of japan) that
allows its citizens full input into such decisions

Malaysia?
Singapore?
Korea?
Indonesia?

none of them do that

>1)  With respect to pipe, it seems impossible to name a material of
>construction that does not involve generation of some dioxin in some
>manufacturing step.  Iron smelters? Cement kilns? Refineries and crackers?
>Clay kilns? The issue must be addressed in a comparative fashion.

did cement kilns make dioxin before the industry started using chlorinated
hazardous wastes as fuel sources?  

>
>2)  Since there has been some discussion of lead at this site, perhaps a few
>facts are in line.  According to the Consumer Product Safety Commission, only
>if you had badly sun-weathered imported blinds, never dusted or cleaned,
>licked by a child every day for at least a month could you achieve an
>elevated lead level.  Elevated lead is not good, but whats the likelihood?
> In the US, about the only place lead compounds are used is to stabilize
>electric power wire insulation because of the dielectric qualities, and if
>children are sucking on them, there's a larger acute hazard afoot.

what about lead in pvc materials that contact food or drinking water?
what about lead in pvc that is fed into a trash incinerator?

>
>3)  Butchers, Mark?  We were Nazis before, and butchers now?  Ridicule and
>epithets distinguish those without a logical argument.

no, I never said that you were nazis

what I said is that forcing people to be in a population wide experiment to
study the long term impacts of dioxin and other poisons was a violation of
human rights, including the nuremberg code.  as i hope you're aware, the
nuremberg code applies to everyone, not just to nazis.  your cute rhetoric
deflects and ignores the fact of dow, dupont, monsanto, etc. massive
distribution of gene altering substances onto every square inch of the
biosphere.

dioxins and other poisons can kill just as well as knives (butchers), even
if it's harder to show the bodies in a court of law

your great great grandchildren, if allowed to exist, won't share your
dismissals and exxon-eration

"O pardon me, thou bleeding piece of Earth,
That I am meek and gentle with these butchers."
-- William Shakespeare


Only after the last tree has been cut down
Only after the last river has been poisoned
Only after the last fish has been caught
Only then will you find that money cannot be eaten
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